The Leological One

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  Can it be proven that the WTS is NOT God's personal organization?

  by M.J. in

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  imagine trying to prove to someone that firmly believes in leprechauns that they simply don't exist.

  where do you start?

  an excellent saying i have heard is "extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

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  The Leological One

  So all you WTS apologists who keep saying, "hey, they're only human." You are absolutely right! They're human guided too, and nothing more.

  M.J.,

  Straight up~!

  That's the thing I'm working on showing my wife. It may seem ignorant for some people to seem unready to accept what they've always believed is the truth is actually b.s., but at the same time I doubt I'd change all my views easily and would require proof of some kind, as well. Im working on getting CoC and hoping that'll help her where she's totally wanting to see proof against the WT dates. She also feels she needs proof against a C.E. 39 date or something, though I explained the major date of 607 as being foundational for the chronology of WT's infamous 1914 date.

  Anyway, that's the thing that might be initially very hard to come by -- to see the GB and other leaders are merely regular people with no special divine abilities or knowledge. From there I can see it would be a downhill momentum in debunking some JW stronghold-ish ideologies.
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  Anyone wanna pick apart the special talk?

  by IP_SEC in

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  why did jesus suffer and die?.

  did anyone want to pick apart the special talk?.

  geez this thing is more of a manuscript than outline.

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  The Leological One

  WHAT....Not another Little Toe...

  Wow~! What'd Little Toe do~?!?
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  How Would You Feel If A Poster Just Vanished?

  by minimus in

  1. jw
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  can you imagine suddenly never hearing from gumby, blondie, metatron or simon again?

  think about never hearing from your favorite poster or online friend.

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  The Leological One

  Good to see your return from temporary paradise~!
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  Gasp! i went to church!

  by swiftbreeze in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  actually a local preacher has his church televised from time to time.

  my mother n law was watching so i decided to tune in also.

  it was very interesting.

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  The Leological One

  As a non-JW, I grew up in a variety of churches; I've been to a couple that were pretty intense on the dancing and shouting but also got into the Bible a lot. And I've been to Baptist and Methodist churches as well as non-denominational churches that calmly taught from the Bible and usually tried to demonstrate love, but I still have felt out of place at times. Then again, I'm a different kind of person and don't feel I've ever totally fit in anywhere.

  But you are right about the differences~! I've noticed them, too, visiting my wife's cong 3x, one of them being the funera... er.. Memorial. But I admit there seemed to be some genuinely nice people at her cong, though she's DF'd and nobody could talk to her.
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  Were any of you "Self righteous" in the begining?

  by new boy in

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  i know i was!------------ in my "20s" there was no one more "self righteous" then me.

  i thought everyone should be pioneering since we were so close to 1975!.

  i actully had a card make up to hand to people saying "have sword will travel"------on the bottom it said a a a {available after armageddon} because i tought anyone who got married before then was a slacker.. what a "jerk" i was!!!.

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  The Leological One

  I remember even being able to judge by a person's conversation whether they were really a witness. Although, I was a target of many for being weak, I also looked down on the others because I was the sincere one trying to do what was right in school by not dating the worldly. Anyway, I, of course did not have any friends because I was not among the clicks of dub witness children, but it still was not right of me to think so highly of myself. I didn't even realize that I was doing that. No wonder I was so hated in school and everywhere else. My self-righteousness was something I did not see as I was trying to save all these other people from imminent death in a cataclismic war where I would see people I knew having their eyes picked out by the birds in God's Great Evening Meal. How I hated being alone and friendless everywhere I turned.

  I do find that brothers are very critical of anyone who happens to always have to ask for financial help due to their circumstances. They are so self-righteous that even if you are in a position where you really have to accept any form of governmental assistance, even if the only one you are on helps pay for the roof over your head, you are considered nothing but a reprobate. I believe that forgot Jesus words that "the poor will always be with you" is in fact a reality and those truly deserving who do not take advantage of the system, but work within it to survive should not be condemned. Even ancient Isreal provided gleaning of other people' land in order that the afflicted and poor should survive. My family was the widow and fatherless child with the affliction of depression. Anyone who new our hearts would have known how much we really loved Jehovah. Where is the real generosity and love for the poor? They're too busy trying to feel superior because somehow "God doesn't bless the poor." What do you think?

  Leo's wife
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  I'm not one for...

  by love11 in

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  introductions so i never said the official "hi i'm a newbie thing".

  now i'm a junior member and i thought that maybe i should speak up and just say hi to everybody out here that gave me good advice when i needed it and made me laugh in spite of things.

  hi to all that i haven't gotten a chance to talk to yet and hopefully we'll get the chance here soon.

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  The Leological One

  Hey, Love!

  Thanks for writing. I believe that our love of animals is mutual. I thought the other thread was almost dead so I went to a new one.
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  I'm not one for...

  by love11 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  introductions so i never said the official "hi i'm a newbie thing".

  now i'm a junior member and i thought that maybe i should speak up and just say hi to everybody out here that gave me good advice when i needed it and made me laugh in spite of things.

  hi to all that i haven't gotten a chance to talk to yet and hopefully we'll get the chance here soon.

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  The Leological One

  Thank you, Brummie. I have an orange kitty, too. I especially like your little grin of satisfaction in being a cat. I frequently believe that cats have much to teach us even without verbal utterance. One thing I have learned in life is that my cat adores me so much that when I am on the toliet wiping my butt, she, the non-orange kitty, wipes, licks her butt, too. I once said that my orange cat was the I-ching. One thing I have learned also is that life as a kitty would be wonderful. I dare say that my husband treats me like a sweet little kitty and pampers me much even though for many months I have made him feel bad because I felt guilty for marrying a non-JW. I thought I was doomed and at times still do. It is taking time. This is my first forum posting.
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  I'm not one for...

  by love11 in

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  introductions so i never said the official "hi i'm a newbie thing".

  now i'm a junior member and i thought that maybe i should speak up and just say hi to everybody out here that gave me good advice when i needed it and made me laugh in spite of things.

  hi to all that i haven't gotten a chance to talk to yet and hopefully we'll get the chance here soon.

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  The Leological One

  Although I have only just recently been looking at this website, my husband has been here much longer and this is his moniker. Maybe i am a chicken not to put my own moniker up, but here I am anyway. I also am searching for real truth though still I hesitate at times. Please welcome me. too.

  Leo's wife
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  Scientists: What can Exponential Growth tell us about the Bible?

  by Caveat in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  need help from all the scientists, statisticians and math gurus out there?

  (perhaps sng?).

  have you researched exponential growth and bible chronology?.

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  The Leological One

  AlanF,

  I was only replying to the post dealing with DNA. There is much more info out there regarding what you mentioned; that's not what I presented info on specifically. Peace.
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  Scientists: What can Exponential Growth tell us about the Bible?

  by Caveat in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  need help from all the scientists, statisticians and math gurus out there?

  (perhaps sng?).

  have you researched exponential growth and bible chronology?.

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  The Leological One

  From: http://www.answersingenesis.org/tj/v17/i1/events.asp

  By comparing DNA from different humans around the world, it has been found that all humans share roughly 99.9% of their genetic material--they are almost completely identical, genetically. 7 This means that there is very little polymorphism, or variation. Much evidence of this genetic continuity has been found. For example, Dorit et al. 8 examined a 729-base pair intron (the DNA in the genome that is not read to make proteins) from a worldwide sample of 38 human males and reported no sequence variation. This sort of invariance
  

  '... likely results from either a recent selective sweep, a recent origin for modern Homo sapiens, recurrent male population bottlenecks, or historically small effective male population sizes ... any value of Q [lowest actual human sequence diversity] > 0.0011 predicts polymorphism in our sample [and yet none was found] ... . The critical value for this study thus falls below most, but not all, available estimates, thus suggesting that the lack of polymorphism at ZFY [a locus, or location] is not due to chance.'

  After citing additional evidence of low variation on the Y chromosome, they note in their last paragraph that their results 'are not compatible with most multiregional models for the origin of modern humans.' Knight et al. 9 have had similar research results:
  

  'We obtained over 55 kilobases of sequence from three autosomal loci encompassing Alu repeats for representatives of diverse human populations as well as orthologous sequences for other hominoid species at one of these loci. Nucleotide diversity was exceedingly low. Most individuals and populations were identical. Only a single nucleotide difference distinguished presumed ancestral alleles from descendants. These results differ from those expected if alleles from divergent archaic populations were maintained through multiregional continuity. The observed virtual lack of sequence polymorphism is the signature of a recent single origin for modern humans, with general replacement of archaic populations.'